Talk:Interstate 79/Archive 1

Archive 1

Terrain notes

Elevations are very approximate due to cuts and fills. --NE2 01:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

• Begins at 700
• Elk River, Mink Shoal Run
• Summit at Crestwood Road (875)
• Mile Fork, Coopers Creek, Halls Fork
• Summit north of exit 5 (800)
• Little Sandy Creek, Wills Creek, Campbell Branch
• Summit south of exit 19 (875)
• Bufflick Run, Big Sandy Creek, Lefthand Creek, Lick Branch
• Summit south of Osbornes Mills (850)
• Big Sandy Creek, Garner Branch
• Summit south of exit 25 (975)
• Big Sandy Creek, Right Fork, Cookman Fork
• Summit south of exit 40 (1075)
• Boggs Fork, Big Otter Creek
• Summit south of exit 46 (1125)
• Duck Creek
• Summit north of exit 46 (1100)
• Tate Creek
• Summit south of rest area (1100)
• Lower Mill Creek, crosses Elk River, Upper Mill Creek, Dry Fork
• Summit north of Leatherwood Road (1050)
• Diatter Run
• Summit at and south of exit 57, near Coon Knob (1400)
• Cunningham Fork, Buffalo Creek, Elk River, Granny Creek
• Summit north of exit 67 (1250) - boundary between Kanawha River and Little Kanawha River watersheds
• Cedar Creek, Scott Fork
• Summit north of Bonnie (1300)
• Burns Run, Saltlick Creek, crosses Little Kanawha River, Dumpling Run
• Along Tully Ridge from south of Posey Run Road to exit 91 (1300) - boundary between Little Kanawha River and Monongahela River watersheds south of exit 91
• Rush Run, West Fork River, Stony Lick
• Summit south of exit 99 (1200)
• Crosses Stonecoal Creek
• Summit north of exit 99 (1300)
• Lifes Run, Hackers Creek
• Summit north of exit 105 (1175)
• McKinney Run
• Summit north of Long Run Road (1225)
• Bonds Run
• Two summits north of exit 110 (1200); crosses Browns Creek between
• Suds Run, Elk Creek
• Summit south of exit 117 (1150)
• Crosses Moore Run
• Along a ridge from exit 117 to north of exit 119 (1150)
• Simpson Creek, Barnett Run
• Summit at exit 124 (1100)
• Thomas Fork, Booths Creek
• Summit near exit 132 (1050)
• Long section mostly along ridges to the east of the Tygart Valley River and Monongahela River (1150)
• Booths Creek, crosses Monongahela River
• Ridges to the west of the Monongahela River (1150)
• Scotts Run, Guston Run
• Summit north of WV welcome center (1150)
• Dunkard Creek, Calvin Run, North Branch
• Summit south of rest area (1175)
• Whiteley Creek, Dyers Fork

This doesn't seem to be going anywhere interesting. It looks like it remains at about the same elevation to Washington. Then it generally follows Chartiers Creek to Morganza and then ridges to its west (1050), dropping down to Bridgeville (900). Then it again follows Chartiers Creek and ridges and creeks to its west (1000-1100), following Moon Run to the Ohio River, and rising along Kilbuck Run to ridge (1150-1200).

Watersheds are as follows:

• Elk River to north of 67
• Little Kanawha River to south of 91
• West Fork River to 132
• Tygart Valley River to south of 137
• Upper Monongahela River to north of WV welcome center
• Lower Monongahela River to south of I-70 east
• Upper Ohio River to south of 75
• Connoquenessing Creek to north of 113
• Shenango River to north of 130
• Middle Allegheny River to south of 141
• French Creek to north of 166
• Lake Erie to Erie

— Preceding unsigned comment added by NE2 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

External link

How is that external link useless? Per WP:EL, any external link related to the subject, even if it leads to crap, its ok for the article. Heh, I've seen myspace external links. --JA10 Talk • Contribs 00:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

We should only include external links that don't "lead to crap". This link, in fact, does not satisfy WP:EL, as it "does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article". --NE2 01:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

NE2, you might want to word your responses in a much nicer way next time, because the "lead to crap" part can insult people. In this case, if somebody was annoyed at you for wording stuff like that, it may make them want to leave. (→O - RLY?) 01:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

You should be speaking to the original poster, who coined the term, "leads to crap," in this discussion. *sigh* Seicer (talk) (contribs) 01:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, what Seicer said. --NE2 01:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

You know what, maybe that was my fault right there, and if it was, I appologize, I can make it up by mileposting this highway, as I looked in DeLorme, the mileposts the article currently has, are Original Reasearch. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 02:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you quickly find the length of I-79 in West Virginia and compare it to the FHWA's figure, to see how precise the DeLorme information is? --NE2 03:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

159.41 miles long. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 03:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

159.75 from the off ramp on northbound I-77 to the state line. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 03:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... that's a bit off. Google Maps also gives 159.7; maybe it's better not to have the mileage at all, if we can't get one that matches the FHWA (and WVDOT). --NE2 03:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with having mileposts from a well-published source. So it's a little off, the FWHA and Google weren't too close to each other anyways.-- JA10 Talk • Contribs 04:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

The issue is with accuracy and precision. Just because something is well-published does not make it correct; otherwise I could measure along a road atlas and get values to two decimal places. A road atlas is just not precise enough to do that with, and it appears trip planning software is not either. --NE2 04:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Still, how many times has the FHWA has been wrong, and I think its not updated, just look at I-476, the PTC measured it over 132 miles while the FHWA measured it under 130 miles. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 04:27, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not just the FHWA, but WVDOT. And why would the PTC have a length for all of I-476? --NE2 04:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I tried helping you here and you drove me away. -- JA10 Talk • Contribs 04:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for assuming bad faith. See? It works both ways. --NE2 04:50, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Pennsylvania opening dates

The PennDOT GIS data includes a YR_BUILT field. The ones that are not useless by being too new are listed below by exit number: --NE2 04:23, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

• North of 1 to north of 7: 1975
• North of 7 to south of 14: 1973
• South of 19 to south of 23: 1966
• I-70: 1962-63
• South of 55 to 57: 1966
• 57 to 59: 1969-72
• South of 60 to 60: 1972
• 60 to north of 66: 1971
• North of 66 to 68: 1976
• 68 to south of 72: 1975
• South of 72 to south of 73: 1966
• Through 73: 1970
• North of 73 to 76: 1973
• 76 to 77: 1975
• 77 to 85: 1970
• 85 to 88: 1963
• 88 to 96: 1964
• 96 to 116: 1965
• 116 to south of 130: 1967
• South of 130 to Georgetown Road: 1969
• Georgetown Road to 141: 1968
• 141 to south of 147: 1969
• Through 147: 1970
• North of 147 to 154: 1969
• 154 to south of 174: 1968
• North of 174 to 178: 1969
• 178 to 182: 1968
• 182 to 183: 1983-85

Data from maps

• 1960: none
• 1964 Allegheny: south of 55 (but no interchange at 55)
• 1965 Washington: all
• 1967 Greene: north of 14
• 1967 Crawford: all
• 1968 Butler: all
• 1968 Erie: south of 182 (at-grade intersection with US 20)
• 1970: 14 to 57, 78 to 141, 154 to 182
• 1971 Mercer: all
• 1974 Lawrence: all
• 1976 Allegheny: all
• 1978 Greene: all
• 1978 Erie: south of 182 (interchange with US 20 and connection to Pittsburgh Avenue)
• 1980: all but north of 182
• 1986 Erie: all
• 1989: all

It looks like the county maps, intended for PennDOT use, "jumped the gun" a bit on openings (see south of 78 in Butler). --NE2 05:22, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Missing WV dates

The following dates are missing:

• 0 to 9
• 62 to 67
• 91 to 99
• 155 to PA

--NE2 23:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Former Route of Interstate 79 (or Former Road Called Interstate 79)

Can someone mention in the article the former route of this Interstate 79 (or was it an entirely different highway with the same designation?)?

From what I have read, it used to exist in Ohio, and may have existed in Michigan, West Virginia, and Virginia.

If you know a good source for information on this, could you be so kind as to put it in this article (or a different article, if it indeed was an entirely different road)?

Thank you.

Allen (talk) 20:46, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

There has only been one Interstate 79 ever. This one. Bitmapped (talk) 01:09, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

What about the information in Interstate 77's history section? It seems like it mentions a different I-79 than the current one.

I'm not trying to cause any trouble or controversy, but I am kind of confused.

Thanks!

Allen (talk) 01:58, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The 1957 proposal was a very early idea for the system. There are very significant differences between it and the 1958 plan in both numbering and location of routes. The 1958 plan shows I-79 on a shortened version of its current route.

I-79 was never signed in Ohio and it is unlikely that any real planning was ever actually done with the I-79 number. I think mentioning it here in the article would just cause confusion. Bitmapped (talk) 02:13, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for updating this. Could you provide some good websites to look at that might shed more light on this issue? I think that could help tremendously.

Allen (talk) 02:41, 19 December 2011 (UTC)